INTERVIEW: Kansas native Clay Lacy’s childhood passionfor planes and flying landed him atop his own charter jet company and led towork doing ‘photo flights’ for Hollywood productions.
By Alexa Hyland
October 25, 2010
Clay Lacy has been in aviation for more than 60 years.When he was a boy in Wichita, Kan., his father fell ill with tuberculosis; thesanitarium was next to an airport and Lacy grew fascinated with the planes he’dsee when waiting in the car while his mom visited. In his teens, Lacy worked atan airport in exchange for flying lessons and earned his pilot’s license at 16.He moved to California in 1952 at 19 to work as a pilot for United Airlines. Hestarted private charter company Clay Lacy Aviation at Van Nuys Airport in 1968while he continued flying for United. At his charter company, Lacy built aclientele of Hollywood stars and prominent local business people. Successallowed him to purchase three planes within his first few years. He’s also donea lot of work on “photo flights” – plane trips to capture images for movies – including scenes for the famous “Top Gun” film. He set a speed record forflying around the world, averaging more than 623 miles per hour. At 78, Lacy’sstill involved in running the business, although he finds time to attendaviation conventions – one of his favorite things to do. Lacy, who hasn’t losthis Kansas twang, sat down with the Business Journal at his Van Nuys Airportoffice to talk about how his grandmother nurtured his passion for planes, hisfriendship with entertainer Danny Kaye and the best deal he ever got on aplane.
Question: How did you get interested in airplanes?
Answer: My dad contracted tuberculosis when I was quiteyoung. He was in a tuberculosis sanitarium in those days and it was right outby the airport. I couldn’t go and see him because I was too young to go inthere. So my mother would go there on Saturdays and Sundays, and she wouldleave me in the car and go out on the porch and sit there and talk with him.And I would watch the airplanes. When we would leave, my mother would drive meover to the airport to see the planes.
Your father didn’t survive the illness.
My dad died when I was 7.
So was your mother an influential person in your life?
Not really, but my grandmother was. My grandmother was avery progressive thinker. I think she was the first woman in Kansas to have adriver’s license. And she had the airport on the farm so I could learn to fly.
Wait, your grandmother had an airport on her farm?
When I was 12 years old, I met a guy who was starting tobuy surplus airplanes, the war was almost over. He told me that he wanted tostart an airport and he said he’d like to put it on my grandmother’s farm. So Italked to her, and she’d never been up in an airplane at the time, but she knewhow bad I wanted to fly and she said, “OK, I will talk to him.” And withinthree weeks, there were airplanes taking off and landing at the farm. Hestarted bringing airplanes in and I started working there and by the time I was16, I had a flight instructor’s rating.
You learned how to fly from people at the airport?
I was working at the airport and I was getting paid inflying time, not real money. I only worked a half-day outside of aviation, at agrocery store when I was 13 years old. I decided to get a job to have a fewbucks to spend like my next-door neighbor. But when I was there for threehours, I decided that I didn’t really need any money and I wanted to go back tothe airport and be around airplanes.
So your grandmother supported your dream of flying?
She was always extremely supportive and, in fact, I don’tremember anything I ever told her that I’d like to do that she wasn’t for.
How old were you when you first flew by yourself?
I was 14. It’s a different experience than anything else.When you take off in an airplane, you know it’s up to you to get back down. Ibelieve it gives you a lot of self-confidence to fly solo; everyone who hasflied solo gets a little bit of a different feeling about what they can do.
Then you moved to California in 1952 when you were 19 tobe a pilot for United Airlines, and you also flew for the military.
In 1954 I went into Air Force pilot training for the AirForce National Guard here at Van Nuys Airport. I stayed in the National Guardfor seven years.
Why did you join the National Guard?
The Korean War was on and they were drafting people. Ifyou got drafted, you went into the walking Army and I didn’t want to do that.In the National Guard, you went into pilot training and went back to the Guard.The Guard never got called to active duty during that period. The Korean Warended when I started the pilot training.
When did you get into corporate aviation?
When Bill Lear came out with the Learjet, I went to visithim in Wichita and he said, “Anytime you can come back here, I will give you$100 a day to follow me around and tell me what you think.” And I did that alot. I never did bill him because I had so much fun.
And you leased a plane from him?
I wanted to stay involved with the Lear, so I started myown charter company and I leased the Lear at first. I rented it for one yearand then I bought one and two and three and just built it up as the businessdictated.
And the business was successful?
Since I had been manager of sales for Lear, I knew almosteveryone in town – almost everyone in Hollywood and a lot of other people whocould afford to buy Learjets. When I started my own charter business, all I didwas write a letter to many of the people who I had demonstrated the airplaneto. And we were in the black the first month. It took me about two years beforeI had three airplanes.
How many planes do you own now?
More than I need. I think I own about (long pause) 15airplanes. And of those, eight work and make money or I hope they make money.The other seven are either antique or unusual airplanes that I’ve kept.
What’s the best deal you’ve ever gotten for a plane?
Some of them I bought at a real good price and I neversold them. I don’t buy things too often. I bought my T-6 in 1959 for $1,200 andnow it’s worth $125,000. But the best deal, I bought my P-51 in 1964 for about$7,500 and it is worth well over $1 million. So that was a good investment.
What’s your favorite plane to fly?
If I’m just traveling with a few people, I like thelittle Lear. If I want to fly 300 people and go fast, then I like a 747. Andthen to just have fun, I have a plane called a Pilatus Porter. It’s the world’sshortest takeoff and land airplane. It will take off in 150 feet. I enjoyflying it because maybe I’m a little bit of a showoff, and I like to fly thingsthat people have never seen like an airplane that can land across a runwayinstead of down a runway.
Did the military training help you develop the flyingskills you need to do that?
I learned things like formation flying. I would havenever gotten into my photo flying if I had not been familiar with formationflying.
What is photo flying?
We shoot every airline commercial you see on TV, forexample. We film them on video and stills. And we also do a certain amount ofHollywood work. I shot “Top Gun,” “Flight of the Intruder” and “The GreatSantini.”
What was your favorite movie to shoot?
The one that I had the most work in was probably “TopGun.” About six months ago, I was introducing Tom Cruise at an event and Isaid, ‘When they called me to talk about this, they said, “Would you beinterested in taking a piece of the picture in lieu of charging us a rate?'”And I took the script home and read it and I thought that this will never makeit. And I said no. But when I made the decision, I didn’t know about TomCruise.
Did you get to know him?
I really didn’t get to know him too well on the movie. Idon’t know him real well, but I’ve met him several times and it has to do withaviation.
You’ve met other celebrities through aviation, haven’tyou?
Danny K
aye, I knew him really well. If he came back tolife, he’d be one of two things: a doctor or a pilot, and he’d probably be apilot. He loved flying; he loved aviation.
How did you meet him?
I demonstrated the Lear to him. I wanted to sell him aLearjet and he was so fascinated by it that he wanted to get into the business,not just buy an airplane. I introduced him to Bill Lear. Because of Danny I meta lot of people. He knew everyone.
Any memorable stories?
Danny was a goodwill ambassador at large for Unicef, andwe took trips for Unicef. We would land at airports and the White House and they’dhave about 175 kids out there and Danny would jump out of the airplane and singa song and then he’d tell them about Unicef. We would do it a few days beforeHalloween because the kids used to trick or treat for money for Unicef and theidea was to get press to bring more attention to Unicef.
Your around-the-world speed record was a charitablefundraiser, too, wasn’t it?
I set a speed record around the world in 1988 in a Boeing747. The record was 36 hours and 54 minutes. Well the record is actually foraverage speed and it was like 620-some-odd miles per hour. That was a nice dealbecause at the same time we raised $530,000 for children’s charities.
What was the flight like?
It was interesting. We went eastbound, so the nights weresix hours and the days were six hours. We flew through three sunsets, threesunrises, three days and three nights. I’ve flown around the world other times,but not straight through.
What’s your daily routine like now?
I’m not here every day now because I’m out traveling,usually on business. I’m gone at least two days a week. And I do a lot ofstill-photo flying, movie work and things. So that takes me away four days amonth or so.
Do you fly yourself?
Not always. If I’m traveling by myself, I usually takethe airlines. But we have so many airplanes going places that sometimes I canjust hop on a plane.
What’s the best advice you’ve ever heard?
I learned a lot of things from my friend Al Paulson ofGulfstream. He was one of my very closest friends for many years. Al wouldnever look back. When things didn’t go right, he didn’t try to salvage things.He’d think that his time was better spent trying to make a better deal to makeup for the thing that went wrong. He always looked ahead, and I’ve tried tohave a little bit of that in my head, probably not as good as I should.
Do you have any retirement plans?
Well, I would sell this business if the right buyer camealong. I’ve got a lot of toys I love, a boat and things, which I don’t havetime to play with that I’d like to. But as far as thinking about retiring, Idon’t know what it would mean. I would certainly want to stay busy and I wouldwant to stay in aviation, I can’t imagine not flying as long as I’m healthy todo it.
Clay Lacy
TITLE: Chief Executive
COMPANY: Clay Lacy Aviation
BORN: Wichita, Kan.; 1932
EDUCATION: High school diploma
CAREER TURNING POINTs: Meeting Al Paulson of Gulfstreamand Bill Lear of Learjet.
MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE: Grandmother May Callahan.
PERSONAL: Lives in Bel Air Crest; separated from wife,Lois. No children.
ACTIVITIES: Flying planes; boating; going to aviationconventions.
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